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谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？

zerol

Soul of New Machine

发贴: 593

于 2004-01-11 18:29

JDJ: Sun has been heavily criticized of late for apparently abusing the Java brand name and mislabeling non-Java software as Java. Do you think this is a risky strategy for Sun? Could it cause problems for the community?

AC: Absolutely. This is not what Java is about. It's so contrary to the spirit of what the Java community has been about, it almost feels unethical.

However, it doesn't matter that much. Sun has already ceded thought leadership on enterprise Java to BEA and others. Look at where the innovations are coming from. Take WebLogic Workshop, for example - that's real innovation. BEA and IBM share the overwhelming majority of the application server market. Customers who are deploying enterprise applications on Java today are doing it on either WebLogic or WebSphere, period.

It's ironic, actually, that Sun is taking the approach they are with the Java brand. For a company that's been so critical of Microsoft, what they've done is more reminiscent of Microsoft than it is of the company I've always thought Sun was. They have been a visionary leader in the past. I'm optimistic that they will be a visionary leader again in the future. But you don't get there with these kinds of tactics.

zerol edited on 2004-01-14 00:52

★☆　The Truth Lies Somewhere In The Middle　☆★　

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Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:zerol]

hyena

发贴: 0

于 2004-01-12 12:35

事实上，具有讽刺意味的是SUN采取了它对待JAVA 品牌的同样方法。它对MICROSOFT十分苛刻，但是它所做的一切却让人更加容易将它联想到MICROSOFT。他们（指SUN）过去曾是好梦想的带头人物，我也相信他们以后再次成为领导者。但是，如果他们用的是这样的策略，那么这种可能性就比较小了。

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Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:zerol]

dorrenchen

发贴: 298

于 2004-01-14 00:23

ok, that guy (AC) critizies SUN that it try to retain control of J2EE standard the same way as it controls the java language standard, similar to how Microsoft tightly grip control of windows OS platform.

The accusation is 100% corporate marketing bickering, pure bull sh*t. Java community Process (JCP), not SUN controls the evolution of java language. Although SUN has more control of J2EE than java, SUN works with many industry vendors to build enhancement for J2EE standard, for the benefit of whole industry, not just for 1 or 2 companies. Sun's free enterprise server is not meant to compete with weblogic or websphere, and it couldn't neither.

In a world of being connected together tighter than ever before, setting standard is way more important than some cool new features. Sun is serving as the underlying standard setter than enable companies like BEA and IBM to build products on top of the common standard. As much as I dislike Microsoft, actually I'm thankful of windows OS that set the common ground to allow massive number of applications to proliferate, so user don't have to buy different OS to run different apps, everything runs on the same plaform. And that's what we want for the J2EE industry, a common plaform, not just some fancy drag and click code generator disguised as innovation.

作者	Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:zerol]
zerol Soul of New Machine 发贴: 593	于 2004-01-14 01:03 to hyena: Thanks a lot ! to dorrenchen: agreed, you hit the point . BTW, as you all know, AC is Alfred Chuang, CEO of BEA. I should replace AC with the full name ★☆　The Truth Lies Somewhere In The Middle　☆★

作者	Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:zerol]
mrhuangxq 发贴: 0	于 2004-02-21 00:59 你们的英语词汇怎么这么好，能交交小弟吗？？？

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Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:dorrenchen]

floater

Java Jedi

总版主

发贴: 3233

于 2004-02-21 03:13

dorrenchen wrote:
ok, that guy (AC) critizies SUN that it try to retain control of J2EE standard the same way as it controls the java language standard, similar to how Microsoft tightly grip control of windows OS platform.

The accusation is 100% corporate marketing bickering, pure bull sh*t. Java community Process (JCP), not SUN controls the evolution of java language. Although SUN has more control of J2EE than java, SUN works with many industry vendors to build enhancement for J2EE standard, for the benefit of whole industry, not just for 1 or 2 companies. Sun's free enterprise server is not meant to compete with weblogic or websphere, and it couldn't neither.

In a world of being connected together tighter than ever before, setting standard is way more important than some cool new features. Sun is serving as the underlying standard setter than enable companies like BEA and IBM to build products on top of the common standard. As much as I dislike Microsoft, actually I'm thankful of windows OS that set the common ground to allow massive number of applications to proliferate, so user don't have to buy different OS to run different apps, everything runs on the same plaform. And that's what we want for the J2EE industry, a common plaform, not just some fancy drag and click code generator disguised as innovation.

I just read from the serverside, someone mentioned that although there is a JCP and java specs, Sun's deal is that if you implement jdk, then Sun owns it. This is immoral. But I am not sure, I just read it from someone else mouth. In any case, it's better than before. Hope it's getting better and better.

"Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand."
- Martin Fowler, Refactoring - Improving the Design of Existing Code

作者	Re:谁帮我理解一下蓝色的这段话？ [Re:floater]
dorrenchen 发贴: 298	于 2004-02-21 10:17 hmm... got to read the fine print. There are plenty of jdk implementations, IBM jdk, JRockit, blackdown, I'm pretty certain they all have to get a license from SUN to sell/distribute them legally, but I don't know whether they have to pay Sun though.

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